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	<title>Comments on: Girls in math and science</title>
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		<title>By: vlorbik</title>
		<link>http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/girls-in-math-and-science/795/comment-page-1#comment-12634</link>
		<dc:creator>vlorbik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calling it &quot;reality&quot; doesn&#039;t make it more real;
this stuff is propaganda, not science (live or otherwise).
embarrassingly stupid propaganda at that.

girls (&amp; women too, of course) *are* discriminated against
and of course, like all people of good will, i&#039;m in favor
of trying to change this.  so don&#039;t get me wrong.

but look at &quot;myth 5&quot;.
the &quot;reality&quot;, on this model,
is that girls who don&#039;t make A&#039;s
quit more readily than boys.
if this is true, i suppose it&#039;s a problem.
but blaming &quot;the mentality of needing
to &#039;weed out&#039; &quot; can hardly lead to any solution.  
on this model, we&#039;d have to give up all thought 
of rating student performance at all.
disguising such an attack on the whole teaching profession
by soaking it in ostensibly feminist principles just makes it
more contemptable.

of course, the most telling passage is at the end,
where &quot;mathematics&quot; has somehow morphed into
&quot;mathematics education&quot; (and &quot;research based&quot;
presumably has its usual meaning of &quot;ed school party line&quot;).

already too much attention paid to this;
thanks for the space to vent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calling it &#8220;reality&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it more real;<br />
this stuff is propaganda, not science (live or otherwise).<br />
embarrassingly stupid propaganda at that.</p>
<p>girls (&amp; women too, of course) *are* discriminated against<br />
and of course, like all people of good will, i&#8217;m in favor<br />
of trying to change this.  so don&#8217;t get me wrong.</p>
<p>but look at &#8220;myth 5&#8243;.<br />
the &#8220;reality&#8221;, on this model,<br />
is that girls who don&#8217;t make A&#8217;s<br />
quit more readily than boys.<br />
if this is true, i suppose it&#8217;s a problem.<br />
but blaming &#8220;the mentality of needing<br />
to &#8216;weed out&#8217; &#8221; can hardly lead to any solution.<br />
on this model, we&#8217;d have to give up all thought<br />
of rating student performance at all.<br />
disguising such an attack on the whole teaching profession<br />
by soaking it in ostensibly feminist principles just makes it<br />
more contemptable.</p>
<p>of course, the most telling passage is at the end,<br />
where &#8220;mathematics&#8221; has somehow morphed into<br />
&#8220;mathematics education&#8221; (and &#8220;research based&#8221;<br />
presumably has its usual meaning of &#8220;ed school party line&#8221;).</p>
<p>already too much attention paid to this;<br />
thanks for the space to vent.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Li-sa and thanks for the comment.

Isaac Asimov said &quot;Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is.&quot;

And there is truth in that - our teachers can&#039;t do the learning for us, they can only provide good conditions for it to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Li-sa and thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Isaac Asimov said &#8220;Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is.&#8221;</p>
<p>And there is truth in that &#8211; our teachers can&#8217;t do the learning for us, they can only provide good conditions for it to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Li-sa</title>
		<link>http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/girls-in-math-and-science/795/comment-page-1#comment-12607</link>
		<dc:creator>Li-sa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, my teachers also literally tell us that he/she had to complete which-and-which chapter(s) before the end of each lesson.
Two years ago, my science teacher sent an email to the whole F.2 (including me), saying that teachers can only *help* in our learning but we must learn by ourselves.
Yet some of us are still cozy in our understanding. Do you know that if we don&#039;t learn every moment, in the near future, we will be weeded out? [An article on liberal studies; I forgot the exact source.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, my teachers also literally tell us that he/she had to complete which-and-which chapter(s) before the end of each lesson.<br />
Two years ago, my science teacher sent an email to the whole F.2 (including me), saying that teachers can only *help* in our learning but we must learn by ourselves.<br />
Yet some of us are still cozy in our understanding. Do you know that if we don&#8217;t learn every moment, in the near future, we will be weeded out? [An article on liberal studies; I forgot the exact source.]</p>
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