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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/towards-more-meaningful-math-notation/661/comment-page-1#comment-172233</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok here is my deal, why is there so many big words that people cant understand? im 15 and i understand everthing fully. The notation is perfect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok here is my deal, why is there so many big words that people cant understand? im 15 and i understand everthing fully. The notation is perfect!</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
		<link>http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/towards-more-meaningful-math-notation/661/comment-page-1#comment-154877</link>
		<dc:creator>zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akky - what is it about the suggested change in notation that you do not like?

I&#039;m not sure what the second part of your response is referring to. A change in notation does not necessarily imply any change to the amount of explanation given in a solution, surely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akky &#8211; what is it about the suggested change in notation that you do not like?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the second part of your response is referring to. A change in notation does not necessarily imply any change to the amount of explanation given in a solution, surely?</p>
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		<title>By: akky</title>
		<link>http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/towards-more-meaningful-math-notation/661/comment-page-1#comment-154856</link>
		<dc:creator>akky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very bad suggetion step wise ans of every ques must be given</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very bad suggetion step wise ans of every ques must be given</p>
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		<title>By: kdg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this great knowdge...i like it very much.
Actually i found these types of problems in my life.
According to me these types of symbles are very important for mathematics....Thanks again...!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great knowdge&#8230;i like it very much.<br />
Actually i found these types of problems in my life.<br />
According to me these types of symbles are very important for mathematics&#8230;.Thanks again&#8230;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
		<link>http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/towards-more-meaningful-math-notation/661/comment-page-1#comment-138960</link>
		<dc:creator>zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chardaire. I think we should never use &quot;^(-1)&quot; when referring to the function sin(x).

So arcsin(x) (or commonly asin(x)) should be used rather than sin^(-1) (x).

Also, csc(x) (or perhaps cosec(x)) should be the convention and we should avoid any use of &quot;sin (x) ^(-1)&quot;.

The Maple interpretation of &quot;sin (x+1)^5&quot; is unfortunate and you&#039;re right, that would cause more confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Chardaire. I think we should never use &#8220;^(-1)&#8221; when referring to the function sin(x).</p>
<p>So arcsin(x) (or commonly asin(x)) should be used rather than sin^(-1) (x).</p>
<p>Also, csc(x) (or perhaps cosec(x)) should be the convention and we should avoid any use of &#8220;sin (x) ^(-1)&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Maple interpretation of &#8220;sin (x+1)^5&#8243; is unfortunate and you&#8217;re right, that would cause more confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chardaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chardaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am teaching maths for computer scientist at university level. We use the mapleTA system based on the computer algebra system Maple. One problem is that such a system uses a strict functional notation whilst students are used to an operator notation. 

For example Maple interprets
sin (x+1)^5 as raising to power five the result of sin applied to x+1.

However in operator notation sin (x+1)^5 is interpretated as computing the sin of (x+1)^5.

Operator notation is undoubtably the notation of choice for the standart arithmetic operations such as *,+,^ etc
No one (except computer scientist in some cases) would write
+(1,*(2,3)) for 1+2*3.

However, my feeling is that the operator notation should be used only for elementary operations. If you start using unary operation notations like sin x, ln x, after introducing sin and ln as functions and you did not give an explanation that operators are associated with functions that can be expressed by a particular notation (which would go too far at low level maths) then you are potentially confusing students.

And then you can confuse them even more when you consider composition: Does sin^(-1)x means arcsin(x) or 1/sin(x)?

If you only use pure functional notation then
sin^(-1) (x) means arcsin(x), sin (x) ^(-1) means 1/sin(x), and sin (x^(-1)) means sin(1/x).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am teaching maths for computer scientist at university level. We use the mapleTA system based on the computer algebra system Maple. One problem is that such a system uses a strict functional notation whilst students are used to an operator notation. </p>
<p>For example Maple interprets<br />
sin (x+1)^5 as raising to power five the result of sin applied to x+1.</p>
<p>However in operator notation sin (x+1)^5 is interpretated as computing the sin of (x+1)^5.</p>
<p>Operator notation is undoubtably the notation of choice for the standart arithmetic operations such as *,+,^ etc<br />
No one (except computer scientist in some cases) would write<br />
+(1,*(2,3)) for 1+2*3.</p>
<p>However, my feeling is that the operator notation should be used only for elementary operations. If you start using unary operation notations like sin x, ln x, after introducing sin and ln as functions and you did not give an explanation that operators are associated with functions that can be expressed by a particular notation (which would go too far at low level maths) then you are potentially confusing students.</p>
<p>And then you can confuse them even more when you consider composition: Does sin^(-1)x means arcsin(x) or 1/sin(x)?</p>
<p>If you only use pure functional notation then<br />
sin^(-1) (x) means arcsin(x), sin (x) ^(-1) means 1/sin(x), and sin (x^(-1)) means sin(1/x).</p>
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		<title>By: mechagodzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>mechagodzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that there&#039;s actually nothing wrong with the notation, per se.  There&#039;s an unspoken assumption that is not stated for the benefit of students until maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college, if you&#039;re lucky.

Linear functions can be distributed out of their parentheses.  This is why you can write int(x+y) = int(x)+int(y) or laplace(x+y)=laplace(x)+laplace(y).  However, it&#039;s critical to math literacy to recognize that one of the things you have to know about every function is whether or not it&#039;s a linear operation on the argument.  The four basic operations are all linear--but when you cross into college nobody informs you of when that stops happening.  That&#039;s the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that there&#8217;s actually nothing wrong with the notation, per se.  There&#8217;s an unspoken assumption that is not stated for the benefit of students until maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college, if you&#8217;re lucky.</p>
<p>Linear functions can be distributed out of their parentheses.  This is why you can write int(x+y) = int(x)+int(y) or laplace(x+y)=laplace(x)+laplace(y).  However, it&#8217;s critical to math literacy to recognize that one of the things you have to know about every function is whether or not it&#8217;s a linear operation on the argument.  The four basic operations are all linear&#8211;but when you cross into college nobody informs you of when that stops happening.  That&#8217;s the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your inputs, Nicks. 

I also like subscript notation for derivatives, but as you just found, it is a bother to type it on the Web.

For reference, you can type your 

f[subscript g][multiplication dot]g[subscript x](x)

as

f&lt;sub&gt;g&lt;/sub&gt;&middot;g&lt;sub&gt;x&lt;/sub&gt;(x)

and it will look like the following, as you intended:

f&lt;sub&gt;g&lt;/sub&gt;&#183;g&lt;sub&gt;x&lt;/sub&gt;(x)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your inputs, Nicks. </p>
<p>I also like subscript notation for derivatives, but as you just found, it is a bother to type it on the Web.</p>
<p>For reference, you can type your </p>
<p>f[subscript g][multiplication dot]g[subscript x](x)</p>
<p>as</p>
<p>f&lt;sub>g&lt;/sub>&amp;middot;g&lt;sub>x&lt;/sub>(x)</p>
<p>and it will look like the following, as you intended:</p>
<p>f<sub>g</sub>&middot;g<sub>x</sub>(x)</p>
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		<title>By: nicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When writing by hand, I like to distinguish function abbreviations (such as sin, log, ln, f) from variables by writing them in a script style, as in formal handwriting.  Variables are simply printed in simple san-serif style as always.  When typed, I&#039;ve seen that we are supposed to put variables in italics to distinguish them as variables, though I haven&#039;t bothered as I don&#039;t care for the look.

As for derivative symbols, a neat alternative I found is to use subscript of the variable that the derivative is with respect to.  So, for a function f(x) (I&#039;d have made the f in script style if I could), its derivative would be fx(x) (I&#039;d have made the first x subscript on the f here if I could).  The chain rule can be written thusly:  given y=f(g(x)), the derivative of y with respect to x could be written f[subscript g][multiplication dot]g[subscript x](x).  Anyway it&#039;s more of an exercise for my own satisfaction to make concisely written notes, as students would be learning the other notations for decades to come I imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When writing by hand, I like to distinguish function abbreviations (such as sin, log, ln, f) from variables by writing them in a script style, as in formal handwriting.  Variables are simply printed in simple san-serif style as always.  When typed, I&#8217;ve seen that we are supposed to put variables in italics to distinguish them as variables, though I haven&#8217;t bothered as I don&#8217;t care for the look.</p>
<p>As for derivative symbols, a neat alternative I found is to use subscript of the variable that the derivative is with respect to.  So, for a function f(x) (I&#8217;d have made the f in script style if I could), its derivative would be fx(x) (I&#8217;d have made the first x subscript on the f here if I could).  The chain rule can be written thusly:  given y=f(g(x)), the derivative of y with respect to x could be written f[subscript g][multiplication dot]g[subscript x](x).  Anyway it&#8217;s more of an exercise for my own satisfaction to make concisely written notes, as students would be learning the other notations for decades to come I imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with the proposed changes to the notation. In my experience, kids most often give up on math before they manage to see past the confusing/inconsistent notation.

I&#039;m definately going to make use of this in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with the proposed changes to the notation. In my experience, kids most often give up on math before they manage to see past the confusing/inconsistent notation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m definately going to make use of this in the future.</p>
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